truth. i spent three years, two of them as a company commander in alaska and didn't tell anyone, even my closest friends, even my roommates, didn't tell them one word about it. >> it's called don't ask, don't tell. but if someone else tells, you're still in jeopardy, and chances are you're going to get kicked out at least with the original policy. >> well, that was originally the way it was. for the most part, it's gone away not being enforced due to the court order and really the pentagon, while individual units have been investigating people for being gay and have processed paperwork, nobody's been eliminated out of the military, except for about four personnel, think all in the air force, that specifically requested, no, seriously, to the service secretary, seriously i want out of the service. they only processed four out. >> i don't want to give that short shrift because it's not being enforced. is it still meaningless?